Read the first and second parts of my interview with Kevin Curran, Bushwick-based artist and curatorial director of The Laundromat.
Kevin Curran: It sounds to me like what your asking is, “Where is this all going? What’s your plan? What’s your goal?” Whether it be in my own studio, or in curating, or whatever.
Reid Singer: Yeah. I freely acknowledge that it can be dicey.
KC: What do you mean?
RS: Well, first of all, people’s ambitions and their egos are very delicately woven together, like, “What are your dreams, man?”
KC: That also borders on being dangerously sincere. [We both snigger.]
RS: Well, I’m really curious and I didn’t know quite how to phrase it the first time.
KC: Well, obviously everyone wants to be recognized for what they’re doing. It’s sort of like when you start applying to graduate school or whatever, and then you start to sort of realize, the next year, when you’re in graduate school and you see people applying, everyone says, “It’s a roll of the dice. It’s the people who are in that room at that moment, and what they’re thinking about at that time.” It gets so murky, that value judgement about you. As the person who’s applying, it’s so personal. It’s so painful to get rejected from stuff. Everyone in graduate school thinks they’re going to get their first show, their first solo show in New York at this time, and it’s going to happen, and I’m going to be with all these collectors, and blah blah blah.
The one thing I would say is at least my approach to it has been that I just want to get involved in all aspects of what it is to be an artist, so I am into studying about art, and looking at art. I’m into teaching art classes, and talking to students about their art, and what I think.
That really helps me think about art myself: looking at art, teaching about art, working in exhibitions, organizing shows, seeing how people react to art, and then making my own art. All these things. Every angle. Sometimes I think about it that way. I’m going to work every angle.
RS: That’s one of your goals?
KC: Yeah, just get into everything. I will learn more that way, about art, about myself, about different attitudes, about what people think about art, all that stuff. Maybe I have a short attention span. Maybe I like to jump around and not be just focused on one thing.
RS: What’s the longest amount of time, for example, that you’ve spent just making art? Or does that not even happen?
KC: Well, I’ve made pieces that have taken me months to make.
RS: But during that time, were you exposing yourself to anything else that would’ve affected your process? Have you ever been devoting your energy just to making art, or teaching?
KC: Well, yeah. For instance, the last two years I’ve been in Japan, I’ve been teaching art history, and I don’t have a background in art history, so, just out of necessity, I haven’t had that much time to make my own work.
RS: What category of art history were you teaching?
KC: I teach a real easy one. I teach the survey from Giotto to now, and I also teach Modern Art, which is like Post-war, which has been great for me. I’ve learned a ton. I’ve looked at so much work. At Yves Klein, or Piero Manzoni, people who you don’t really hear much about but who are really amazing. Or even somebody like Francis Bacon, who might be out of style now.
RS: How long ago was that Met show of his? Two or three years ago?
KC: Oh, I don’t even remember. So, there are periods where I’ve had no time to do anything but study and teach. When I had a show in Tokyo in 2009, and I was teaching, but I had this solo show, I was working my ass off, every second I had that wasn’t devoted to working with students, I was hiring assistants, and making my sculptures, and working on my installation. It goes in fits. There’ll be periods where I’m very, very busy on one thing, and it’ll change and I’ll be very busy with something else.
RS: To pay the rent and everything, just making that happen, are you happy with how you’re having to budget your time lately?
KC: Well, no. Obviously, I’d rather just work and sell my work.
RS: I mean are you relatively satisfied, things being as they are, your constraints being as they are?
KC: Well, recently, I just took a job where I work four days a week instead of five. It’s at a gallery and I do like it, because I get to listen in on them talk to their clients and how they talk about art. I never really had any exposure to that, at a high-end gallery. How they work it. How they create the aura of desire around these things. That’s been really interesting. Also, the historical contexts that they put on things, like, “How do you establish value?” I’ve heard some very frank conversations about these issues, which I find very interesting.
Ideally, I then have a third day, that three-day weekend to work in my studio. I work at night from ten ‘til one in the morning. I do have more of a routine now, but I’m leaving in three weeks, so it’ll be all up in the air again.
RS: Are you excited to be getting back to Japan?
KC: Absolutely. In the context of current events, which I usually try to shy away from, I think it could be interesting at this moment. I was worried for my students. How do I deal with this semester? Are they all going to be traumatized? Are they all going to be freaked out?
RS: Are they all going to grasp out at the first possible opportunity to think about what it’s like to be somewhere else? To think about what it’s like to be in America?
KC: I think each of them have that curiosity, but are they going to want to make work about an earthquake and a tsunami? I’m not sure. When momentous events happen, what do you do? That’s something that I don’t typically try to do. I won’t make a 9-11 artwork.
KC: It would be horrible! But, if this project goes on, we’ll see. They’re kind of a reserved culture, I don’t think anybody would make that kind of a gesture. In that culture, how do you express yourself when something has happened?
RS: And you’re going to be there for how long?
KC: Two and a half months.
RS: That’s a semester or a term?
KC: Yeah. That’s a semester.
RS: How’s your Japanese?
KC: It’s okay. I’ve been practicing. There’s a website called Language Exchange, where you can meet a partner who wants to practice English.
RS: And talk to them on Skype?
KC: You can meet them on Skype, or you can meet them in person. The dude I is like, “I’m in my early 30s, I like baseball, I like drinking beer.” I was like, “Dude! We can meet at a bar. We can watch baseball games.” We chat. He helps me with my Japanese. It’s getting better.